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The term douchebag in every day speech

When did this become OK?

started by Uklamok on 11/17/09.

The term douchebag in every day speech
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I find the argument that this is a misogynist term to have some merit, although the fact that "condom" is not used as a similar term also ignores the very common mass-media euphemism analogous term "scumbag". In fact, I venture to say most people who use the word scumbag don't even realize the term originally referred to a used condom.

I list this observation as "for" instead of "against" as the use of douchebag is preferable to, say, "dirty cunt"


by spazol (74) on 11/21/09.

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Using the term "douchebag" does not illustrate laziness but rather expressive efficiency.

by otm_shank (54.55) on 12/1/09.

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While it does reference a woman's sexual organ's excrement in a negative way, it is not misogynistic because there are similar words which reference a man's sexual organs (dick, scumbag, ...even asshole describes men though women have one as well.)

I agree with the verbal efficiency argument. Instead of saying "a spray-tanned orange guy with the popped collar over there hitting on his best friend's mom," it's easier to say "douchebag."

by Krista17 (78) on 12/4/09.

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"Dick wad" is so 1986.

by Katzwinkel (69.39) on 11/19/09.

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Douchebag is just another way the creative human mind has devised to show our disdain for someone; I fo one refuse to accept that fuck is the only "appropriate" explicative. No misogyny either; other icky things that are applicable to men only (e.g. used condom) or equally applicable amongst the sexes (e.g. colostomy bag) just don't have the same flow. Ickiness PLUS intriguing sequence of sounds equals useful word.

by egorz13 (63.54) on 11/19/09.

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There is no such thing as a "bad" word. Words are just words. The fact that you cannot be offended by a foreign "bad" word because you do not know its meaning shows that the mere utterance the sounds are not the problem. The fact that people use alternate words to mean the same thing, such as "crap" for "shit" or "frak" for "fuck," shows that the meaning of the word is also not the problem. So what other reason could there possibly be to avoid the use of a certain set of letters and phonics arranged in a particular order? The only reason I can think of is that society has arbitrarily deemed certain words as vulgar. I blame the Puritans. I'm an equal opportunity linguist and think that every word should be used when appropriate, including "douche bag."

by froggerus (55.06) on 11/22/09.

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The term as I've seen it used (and used it) is applied almost unversally to men. And I can't speak for anyone else, but when I call someone a douchebag, I'm not comparing them to a dirty vagina. Also, columnist Dan Savage addressed this in a recent Savage Love podcast. His observation is that the notion of douching as applied to female bits is a holdover from the 70s and 80s, and that most actual douching that occurs these days is anal. This fits the way I use the term a lot better: a total asshole with an undeservedly high opinion of himself.

by DClary (65.15) on 12/7/09.

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It's meant to sound shocking, but honestly - how much different is it really from the old term "Scum Bag"?

by FuzzyMemories.TV (56.79) on 12/14/09.

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The "moderately amusing and intriguing sequence of sounds" argument is a matter of perception. When one use the term that may be their intent, but what i perceive is latent misogyny. At its most basic its says dirty girl parts are icky and bad and by equating this person with dirty girl parts I'm saying they are bad too.

by Uklamok (62.03) on 11/18/09.

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Douchebag and fuck both illustrate a laziness of thought. I never said it was the only appropriate word. I said that people use it in the place of traditional swear words as a somehow more socially acceptable slur. Colostomy bag would fit the bill perfectly. It implies ickyness and and but is sanitized of the more crude reference. People wont use it not because it does not flow, but rather because they the because the term douchebag is much more heavily loaded with meaning.

I would like to note that you are crudding my arguments against because you do not agree with my claim of misogyny, not because they are they bad arguments against using the word. I on the other had find a silly sounding word argument to be poor when people could just work a little harder to find a better insult that to use publically or in mixed company We have one of the most diverse languages on the planet, borrowing words, phrases and ideas from almost every other language we encounter. Surely we can do better.

by Uklamok (62.03) on 11/19/09.

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Has our culture become so incredibly misogynistic that when we do not like or approve of another persons behavior that we have to refer to them as a device used to clean female genitalia? Why is this term acceptable when more traditional four letter explicatives are what we really mean. Are we so unoriginal that we as a culture can not find a better way to refer to someone with disdain?If you think some one is a fuck, call them a fuck. Calling some a douchebag is in no way more acceptable.

by Uklamok (62.03) on 11/17/09.

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