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bigjimw on 11-30-2009



Fortunately for us, IRAN is a small piece of real estate on the global map. The day they start shit, they turn into a sandbox.

So let them do what they want. We need target practice anyways.
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The argument that they are being marketed to kids is outlandish. First off it is a very large initial investment for the equiptment. It is much easier for kids to buy their marlboros at the local convieniance store. Second, the fruit flavors are no to being targeted to kids. The ban on flavored cigarettes is a joke, because the only flavor NOT banned, menthol, is allowed and the only flavor "kids" use. If anything, real cigarettes ARE the gateway to the electronic ones, and not the other way around as the FDA and groups like ASH and Tobacco Free Kids wants you to believe.
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The cost savings. While a typical e-cig starter kit goes for about $50-$60, and e-juice looks somewhat expensive, if you are a 1 pack a day smoker who pays on average of $7.50 a pack, you spend $52.50 a week in cigarettes. The kit will pay for itself in a week. Then adding the cost monthly, you're spending $225.75 a month just for one pack a day. When you compare the cost of 3 30ml bottles of e-juice at approx $15-$20 each, which usually gets your average pack a day smoker through a month, $60.00 maximum for the juice. Big savings. And you can bet the government does not want you to be saving that much since it comes out of taxes collected.
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The FDA test proves that the electronic cigarette is far safer than a real cigarette. The list of carcinogens listed to be in the electronic cigarette was found to be at a far lesser concentration than in a real cigarette. The electronic cigarette also has far fewer of the carcinogens than a real one. Health New Zealand did a test on these e-cig and actually published the amount (in PPB) of what each of the carcinogens it found and determined that the amounts were such a miniscule amount, they deemed that the vapor produced in electronic cigarettes is safe. Whereas the FDA only published what it found without the numbers, using junk science to back it up, to leave the public to draw their own conclusions.
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Quality control issues. While the electronic cigarette is probably one of the greatest inventions in this century and will surely save millions of lives, the issue of quality control is in question. Getting an atomizer is like a craps shoot. I had 2 die on me in 3 days time while my other atomizer kept going for 4 months. Some of the quality of imported e-juice is questionable, and there are many fly-by-night websites springing up that sell junk e-cigs only to make a quick buck during the "craze" and don't care what the outcome of the e-cigs are. Also false and misleading claims some sites still make regarding the safety issue of the electronic cigarette and the fact that they can be smoked anywhere.
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Fortunately for us, IRAN is a small piece of real estate on the global map. The day they start shit, they turn into a sandbox.

So let them do what they want. We need target practice anyways.
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Fortunately for us, IRAN is a small piece of real estate on the global map. The day they start shit, they turn into a sandbox.

So let them do what they want. We need target practice anyways.
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Iran should be bombed off the face of the map
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Fortunately for us, IRAN is a small piece of real estate on the global map. The day they start shit, they turn into a sandbox.

So let them do what they want. We need target practice anyways.
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Iran should be bombed off the face of the map
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Quality control issues. While the electronic cigarette is probably one of the greatest inventions in this century and will surely save millions of lives, the issue of quality control is in question. Getting an atomizer is like a craps shoot. I had 2 die on me in 3 days time while my other atomizer kept going for 4 months. Some of the quality of imported e-juice is questionable, and there are many fly-by-night websites springing up that sell junk e-cigs only to make a quick buck during the "craze" and don't care what the outcome of the e-cigs are. Also false and misleading claims some sites still make regarding the safety issue of the electronic cigarette and the fact that they can be smoked anywhere.
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The cost savings. While a typical e-cig starter kit goes for about $50-$60, and e-juice looks somewhat expensive, if you are a 1 pack a day smoker who pays on average of $7.50 a pack, you spend $52.50 a week in cigarettes. The kit will pay for itself in a week. Then adding the cost monthly, you're spending $225.75 a month just for one pack a day. When you compare the cost of 3 30ml bottles of e-juice at approx $15-$20 each, which usually gets your average pack a day smoker through a month, $60.00 maximum for the juice. Big savings. And you can bet the government does not want you to be saving that much since it comes out of taxes collected.
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The FDA test proves that the electronic cigarette is far safer than a real cigarette. The list of carcinogens listed to be in the electronic cigarette was found to be at a far lesser concentration than in a real cigarette. The electronic cigarette also has far fewer of the carcinogens than a real one. Health New Zealand did a test on these e-cig and actually published the amount (in PPB) of what each of the carcinogens it found and determined that the amounts were such a miniscule amount, they deemed that the vapor produced in electronic cigarettes is safe. Whereas the FDA only published what it found without the numbers, using junk science to back it up, to leave the public to draw their own conclusions.
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The argument that they are being marketed to kids is outlandish. First off it is a very large initial investment for the equiptment. It is much easier for kids to buy their marlboros at the local convieniance store. Second, the fruit flavors are no to being targeted to kids. The ban on flavored cigarettes is a joke, because the only flavor NOT banned, menthol, is allowed and the only flavor "kids" use. If anything, real cigarettes ARE the gateway to the electronic ones, and not the other way around as the FDA and groups like ASH and Tobacco Free Kids wants you to believe.
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Electronic Cigarettes, while still an unknown territory, are clearly a much safer alternative than your conventional cigarette. Cigarettes have over 2000 known chemicals and over 60 carcinogens with each puff. The electronic cigarette has 20 known carcinogens in such a diluted state that the New Zealand report found the hazard minimal at best. The FDA found the same levels but kept the public in the dark about it. Also please note that your standard NRT (nicotine replacement therapy) such as the gums and lozenges contain the same carcinogens that what was found in the e-cig, and they have only a 10% success rate, at best. While the e-cig is NOT a stop smoking aid, it has over a 90% success rate in keeping people off of real cigarettes.
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On a 80 year old and they sag on the floor, they're not so attractive anymore.
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The FDA test proves that the electronic cigarette is far safer than a real cigarette. The list of carcinogens listed to be in the electronic cigarette was found to be at a far lesser concentration than in a real cigarette. The electronic cigarette also has far fewer of the carcinogens than a real one. Health New Zealand did a test on these e-cig and actually published the amount (in PPB) of what each of the carcinogens it found and determined that the amounts were such a miniscule amount, they deemed that the vapor produced in electronic cigarettes is safe. Whereas the FDA only published what it found without the numbers, using junk science to back it up, to leave the public to draw their own conclusions.
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Quality control issues. While the electronic cigarette is probably one of the greatest inventions in this century and will surely save millions of lives, the issue of quality control is in question. Getting an atomizer is like a craps shoot. I had 2 die on me in 3 days time while my other atomizer kept going for 4 months. Some of the quality of imported e-juice is questionable, and there are many fly-by-night websites springing up that sell junk e-cigs only to make a quick buck during the "craze" and don't care what the outcome of the e-cigs are. Also false and misleading claims some sites still make regarding the safety issue of the electronic cigarette and the fact that they can be smoked anywhere.
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The argument that they are being marketed to kids is outlandish. First off it is a very large initial investment for the equiptment. It is much easier for kids to buy their marlboros at the local convieniance store. Second, the fruit flavors are no to being targeted to kids. The ban on flavored cigarettes is a joke, because the only flavor NOT banned, menthol, is allowed and the only flavor "kids" use. If anything, real cigarettes ARE the gateway to the electronic ones, and not the other way around as the FDA and groups like ASH and Tobacco Free Kids wants you to believe.
6 Cred0 Crud


The FDA test proves that the electronic cigarette is far safer than a real cigarette. The list of carcinogens listed to be in the electronic cigarette was found to be at a far lesser concentration than in a real cigarette. The electronic cigarette also has far fewer of the carcinogens than a real one. Health New Zealand did a test on these e-cig and actually published the amount (in PPB) of what each of the carcinogens it found and determined that the amounts were such a miniscule amount, they deemed that the vapor produced in electronic cigarettes is safe. Whereas the FDA only published what it found without the numbers, using junk science to back it up, to leave the public to draw their own conclusions.
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The cost savings. While a typical e-cig starter kit goes for about $50-$60, and e-juice looks somewhat expensive, if you are a 1 pack a day smoker who pays on average of $7.50 a pack, you spend $52.50 a week in cigarettes. The kit will pay for itself in a week. Then adding the cost monthly, you're spending $225.75 a month just for one pack a day. When you compare the cost of 3 30ml bottles of e-juice at approx $15-$20 each, which usually gets your average pack a day smoker through a month, $60.00 maximum for the juice. Big savings. And you can bet the government does not want you to be saving that much since it comes out of taxes collected.
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Quality control issues. While the electronic cigarette is probably one of the greatest inventions in this century and will surely save millions of lives, the issue of quality control is in question. Getting an atomizer is like a craps shoot. I had 2 die on me in 3 days time while my other atomizer kept going for 4 months. Some of the quality of imported e-juice is questionable, and there are many fly-by-night websites springing up that sell junk e-cigs only to make a quick buck during the "craze" and don't care what the outcome of the e-cigs are. Also false and misleading claims some sites still make regarding the safety issue of the electronic cigarette and the fact that they can be smoked anywhere.
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The cost savings. While a typical e-cig starter kit goes for about $50-$60, and e-juice looks somewhat expensive, if you are a 1 pack a day smoker who pays on average of $7.50 a pack, you spend $52.50 a week in cigarettes. The kit will pay for itself in a week. Then adding the cost monthly, you're spending $225.75 a month just for one pack a day. When you compare the cost of 3 30ml bottles of e-juice at approx $15-$20 each, which usually gets your average pack a day smoker through a month, $60.00 maximum for the juice. Big savings. And you can bet the government does not want you to be saving that much since it comes out of taxes collected.
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First African American president.
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So far his promise to get the economy back on track and create new jobs has been a failure. Unemployment rates still climb and as more people run out of unemployment benefits and are tossed out on the street, it creates a false impression of a "recovery". Where will the new jobs come from he promises is yet to be seen.
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First African American president.
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First African American president.
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Quality control issues. While the electronic cigarette is probably one of the greatest inventions in this century and will surely save millions of lives, the issue of quality control is in question. Getting an atomizer is like a craps shoot. I had 2 die on me in 3 days time while my other atomizer kept going for 4 months. Some of the quality of imported e-juice is questionable, and there are many fly-by-night websites springing up that sell junk e-cigs only to make a quick buck during the "craze" and don't care what the outcome of the e-cigs are. Also false and misleading claims some sites still make regarding the safety issue of the electronic cigarette and the fact that they can be smoked anywhere.
6 Cred1 Crud


The argument that they are being marketed to kids is outlandish. First off it is a very large initial investment for the equiptment. It is much easier for kids to buy their marlboros at the local convieniance store. Second, the fruit flavors are no to being targeted to kids. The ban on flavored cigarettes is a joke, because the only flavor NOT banned, menthol, is allowed and the only flavor "kids" use. If anything, real cigarettes ARE the gateway to the electronic ones, and not the other way around as the FDA and groups like ASH and Tobacco Free Kids wants you to believe.
6 Cred0 Crud


The cost savings. While a typical e-cig starter kit goes for about $50-$60, and e-juice looks somewhat expensive, if you are a 1 pack a day smoker who pays on average of $7.50 a pack, you spend $52.50 a week in cigarettes. The kit will pay for itself in a week. Then adding the cost monthly, you're spending $225.75 a month just for one pack a day. When you compare the cost of 3 30ml bottles of e-juice at approx $15-$20 each, which usually gets your average pack a day smoker through a month, $60.00 maximum for the juice. Big savings. And you can bet the government does not want you to be saving that much since it comes out of taxes collected.
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The FDA test proves that the electronic cigarette is far safer than a real cigarette. The list of carcinogens listed to be in the electronic cigarette was found to be at a far lesser concentration than in a real cigarette. The electronic cigarette also has far fewer of the carcinogens than a real one. Health New Zealand did a test on these e-cig and actually published the amount (in PPB) of what each of the carcinogens it found and determined that the amounts were such a miniscule amount, they deemed that the vapor produced in electronic cigarettes is safe. Whereas the FDA only published what it found without the numbers, using junk science to back it up, to leave the public to draw their own conclusions.
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